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Marcel
2003-12-28 18:16:43 UTC
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I've read your guys comments, (deleted stupid ones, no place for stupidity
in this world.) seems most people agree right of way is responsibiltiy of
driver. I agree.

My point was simply if other driver was not speeding, either accident would
have not happened or minor damage would have occurred. That's all. (Also
what ticked me off, was my wife said other driver came out of the car
smiling, THEN we get a letter saying she is injured.)

(And yes after doing research in California there is no "speeding cars must
yield" as in Virginia and Washington.)

1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.

2. Reconstruction of accident. Our vehicle hit the back part of her car.
Just seems to me that 30 mph does not have enough velocity to rip of a
bumper, without the cars hitting squarely. Now if the *front* of the
oncoming car hit our bumper head on, then yeah 30 mph would do it.

3. Employee who saw accident after the fact says cars drive fast on the
stretch of road all the time.

Defending my wife? Not really, first to agree she could drive better.

Thanks for input.
DrPimpDaddi
2003-12-28 20:10:37 UTC
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Post by Marcel
I've read your guys comments, (deleted stupid ones, no place for stupidity
in this world.) seems most people agree right of way is responsibiltiy of
driver. I agree.
So you deleted your own posts?
Post by Marcel
My point was simply if other driver was not speeding, either accident would
have not happened or minor damage would have occurred.
Why is it so hard for you to understand damages can happen irregardless of
speed? Don't you watch the bumper tests on Dateline? Cars crashed at only 5mph
regularly suffer thousands in damages.

In my own experience, I was only going 30 mph and my car was TOTALLED. I'm
talking about ripped bumper, hood scrumpled, everything in the engine
compartment pushed back, air bag deploying, etc.





That's all. (Also
Post by Marcel
what ticked me off, was my wife said other driver came out of the car
smiling, THEN we get a letter saying she is injured.)
DUH! Almost every driver will claim injury when they are involved in an
accident, it's the American way. Some are legit, most aren't. But as long as
they can prove it, i.e. chiropractor bills, they'll win in court.
Just because someone smiled doesn't mean they are waving their rights to sue
you!
Post by Marcel
(And yes after doing research in California there is no "speeding cars must
yield" as in Virginia and Washington.)
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
She saw how fast it was coming, yet pulled in to traffic? Maybe she should
become a cop, their radar detectors would become obsolete!
Post by Marcel
2. Reconstruction of accident. Our vehicle hit the back part of her car.
Just seems to me that 30 mph does not have enough velocity to rip of a
bumper, without the cars hitting squarely. Now if the *front* of the
oncoming car hit our bumper head on, then yeah 30 mph would do it.
It was your wife's fault! Why are you in denial??????? Bumpers can be ripped
off about 5 million different way: it could get caught in the door handle, side
molding, wheel well, side of the bumper, just about anything.
Post by Marcel
3. Employee who saw accident after the fact says cars drive fast on the
stretch of road all the time.
Oh? Is s/he willing to testify on your wife's behalf? What is her/his
interpretation of "fast"?
Post by Marcel
Defending my wife? Not really, first to agree she could drive better.
Yes you are. EVERYONE has told you who was ultimately at-fault, yet, you
continue your inane rantings.

She should definately take a refresher course on safe/defensive driving. Her
first lesson: how to pull in to traffic without hitting someone.
Post by Marcel
Thanks for input.
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RipCurl
2003-12-28 21:07:17 UTC
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Post by Marcel
I've read your guys comments, (deleted stupid ones, no place for stupidity
in this world.) seems most people agree right of way is responsibiltiy of
driver. I agree.
My point was simply if other driver was not speeding, either accident would
have not happened or minor damage would have occurred. That's all. (Also
what ticked me off, was my wife said other driver came out of the car
smiling, THEN we get a letter saying she is injured.)
So you're still on about the speeding part. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, your
wife pulled out into the oncoming path of a car. That's all that matters.
Speed has nothing to do with it. Yet you disregarded posts about information
on severe damage to cars that go at 5 mph ? Proven accident reports of 5 mph
damage and you think only speed will cause damage to a car?

YOUR wife did a moving violation and you want to blame the othe driver for
hitting her?
Post by Marcel
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
You cannot determine the speed of a car when YOU cANNOT SEE IT. You stated
that your wife entered the street since she didn't see any oncoming car, so
how can she know if the car was speeding or not? Is your wife a trained
specialist in the movement of cars and a trained physicist to know what
bodies in motions at different speeds look like? IF she could see the car
and determine its speed, then she shouldn't have pulled out into the street.
Plain and simple.
Post by Marcel
2. Reconstruction of accident. Our vehicle hit the back part of her car.
Just seems to me that 30 mph does not have enough velocity to rip of a
bumper, without the cars hitting squarely. Now if the *front* of the
oncoming car hit our bumper head on, then yeah 30 mph would do it.
Damn you are dense. There has been proven crash tests to show SIGNIFICANT
damage to cars ONLY GOING AT 5 mph. Damage that would require thousands of
dollars in repairs. Or did you miss that Dateline report? Why dont you pop
on over to their website and take a look?

I took out the rear-well bumper for my tire going at 2 mph in a parking
garage. You know how much that's gonna cost me? $600 to repair.
Post by Marcel
3. Employee who saw accident after the fact says cars drive fast on the
stretch of road all the time.
Doesn't matter. IT proves nothing. Did she WITNESS The actual accident? She
can claim cars usually go fast, but it doesn't prove that the other CAR was
going fast. Actually, if she did witness the accident, the car that hit your
wife would probably use her as a witness against your WIFE since She did not
have the right of way when she entered the street.
Post by Marcel
Defending my wife? Not really, first to agree she could drive better.
You're still defending her, and still rfuse to see that she was in the
wrong.
Seems that you also need some driving lessons.
Bystander
2003-12-30 00:12:28 UTC
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Post by RipCurl
So you're still on about the speeding part. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED,
your wife pulled out into the oncoming path of a car. That's all that
matters. Speed has nothing to do with it. Yet you disregarded posts
about information on severe damage to cars that go at 5 mph ? Proven
accident reports of 5 mph damage and you think only speed will cause
damage to a car?
I don't believe she pulled into the path of the car. Original Poster wrote
in his first post, "Damage on other person's car was back door was dented
in. (Impact was broadside.) Damage to our car was, bumper was completely
ripped off, and was hanging by small section, cop twisted last section
off."

If she pulled into the path of the oncoming car, oncoming car's front end
would be smashed, NOT the rear door. Clearly the wife HIT the other car
broadside.

And I second everything else you wrote.
Doubtful
2003-12-28 22:48:34 UTC
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Post by Marcel
no place for stupidity
in this world.
How ironic!
Post by Marcel
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Just seems to me that 30 mph does not have enough velocity to rip of a
bumper, without the cars hitting squarely. Now if the *front* of the
oncoming car hit our bumper head on, then yeah 30 mph would do it.
You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly stubborn. My bet is both.

You have chosen to ignore every statement that does not agree with your
warped view of the law. However your understanding of legal matters
exceeds your knowledge of physics.

Go play with your adjustors. You will provide them some real
entertainment.
Scott in Aztlán
2003-12-30 02:16:49 UTC
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Post by Doubtful
You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly stubborn. My bet is both.
You have chosen to ignore every statement that does not agree with your
warped view of the law. However your understanding of legal matters
exceeds your knowledge of physics.
Go play with your adjustors. You will provide them some real
entertainment.
Better still, take this case to The People's Court or Judge Judy or one of the
other similar court shows. :)
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
Just the facts
2003-12-28 22:50:22 UTC
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Post by Marcel
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
What does the police report say about the speed of the car?
Marcel
2003-12-29 08:06:03 UTC
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Police report only says speed limit is 30 mph. No mention of other parties
speed.
Post by Just the facts
Post by Marcel
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
What does the police report say about the speed of the car?
RipCurl
2003-12-29 08:36:24 UTC
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Post by Marcel
Police report only says speed limit is 30 mph. No mention of other parties
speed.
Post by Just the facts
Post by Marcel
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
What does the police report say about the speed of the car?
So essentially, you have no case against the other guy about speeding, and
can't use that as your excuse.
Stan Brown
2003-12-28 23:50:38 UTC
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Post by Marcel
1. Basis that other driver was speading was estimation of my wife. It's
obvious if someone is driving 30 or 55. It's that simple.
If they're going past you, and "30" and "55" are the only choices,
most people will probably choose the right answer most of the time.

But that's not the situation you claimed. You claimed the car was
oncoming. It is much more difficult to judge the speed of an object
coming right at you or nearly right at you.
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Me
2003-12-30 23:36:31 UTC
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Post by Marcel
I've read your guys comments, (deleted stupid ones, no place for stupidity
in this world.) seems most people agree right of way is responsibiltiy of
driver. I agree.
My point was simply if other driver was not speeding, either accident would
have not happened or minor damage would have occurred.
That is pure speculation on your part.
Bob Ward
2003-12-31 01:57:53 UTC
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Post by Marcel
My point was simply if other driver was not speeding, either accident would
have not happened or minor damage would have occurred. That's all. (Also
what ticked me off, was my wife said other driver came out of the car
smiling, THEN we get a letter saying she is injured.)
If your wife had not pulled out and hit the other car the accident
would not have happened either.

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